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A request for arbitration is the last step of dispute resolution for conduct disputes on Wikipedia. The Arbitration Committee considers requests to open new cases and review previous decisions. The entire process is governed by the arbitration policy. For information about requesting arbitration, and how cases are accepted and dealt with, please see guide to arbitration.

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Clarification request: Eastern Europe

Initiated by Mhawk10 at 21:07, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Case or decision affected
Eastern Europe arbitration case (t) (ev / t) (w / t) (pd / t)

List of any users involved or directly affected, and confirmation that all are aware of the request:

Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request


Statement by Mhawk10

The decision enables discretionary sanctions on topics relating to Eastern Europe and the Balkans, broadly construed. To what extent does the scope of the case apply to events that occur within Russia and Kazakhstan and locales within Russia and Kazakhstan on the basis of their geographical location?

Russia is a transcontinental country spanning Europe and Asia, and only part of the country is within Eastern Europe. Read in the most narrow way, only the geographic portion of Russia that is within Eastern Europe would fall under the scope of the discretionary sanctions (no part of Russia is in the Balkans, so that part of discretionary sanctions is moot). Given that there is a bit of uncertainty regarding the borders between Europe and Asia within Russia, and that part of Russia (such as Vladivostok) is clearly not in what is generally considered to be in Europe. As such, this leaves open the question of whether EE applies to events that take place within the Russian Federation based on the lack of clarity surrounding the Europe-Asia border. Is all of Russia considered to be part of Eastern Europe for the purpose of these sanctions, or only the part of Russia that is within Eastern Europe? And, if only the part of Russia in Eastern Europe is considered to be within the scope of the discretionary sanctions, where does Eastern Europe stop? And, would events that are of national importance to the Russian Federation that occurred in Asian Russia (such as the poisoning of Alexei Navalny within the scope of WP:EE?

Additionally, there are parts of western Kazakhstan that are generally considered to be within Europe, though I imagine that the remedy relating locus of the case's particular dispute was not intended to capture portions of the Atyrau Region or West Kazakhstan Region. Does "Eastern Europe" for the purpose of this decision include the portion of Kazakhstan that is considered to be within Europe, or no portion of Kazakhstan at all? — Ⓜ️hawk10 (talk) 21:07, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

This is an inquiry for a broader understanding, with the giving alerts, talk pages notices, etc. in mind. I was a bit surprised when I didn't see a talk page notice on the Poisoning of Alexei Navalny page even though there is one on the Alexei Navalny page. — Ⓜ️hawk10 (talk) 22:08, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
Given the facts at this AN thread, I think that some users (like me) would benefit from knowing whether the topic of Crimean Tatars within the Soviet Union (for example) is within the scope of WP:EE. I don't think it's entirely abstract at this point. — Ⓜ️hawk10 (talk) 04:02, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Statement by {other-editor}

Other editors are free to make relevant comments on this request as necessary. Comments here should opine whether and how the Committee should clarify or amend the decision or provide additional information.

Eastern Europe: Clerk notes

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Eastern Europe: Arbitrator views and discussion

  • Is there an actual issue at the moment where this would clarification would have an impact or is it an inquiry for a broader understanding (such as editors who might need an alert, talk pages where the notice would appear, etc)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Barkeep49 (talkcontribs) 21:35, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
    I also don't see a one size fits all answer here and the AN thread linked as a reason why an answer is needed doesn't strike me as a particularly great place to weigh in either. The best I can offer is that at least some parts of Russian topics will fall with-in the scope of EE. Do all parts? That's what I'm not ready to say today, as maybe yes, maybe no. I would need more input from the community than this ARCA has achieved for me to say. Barkeep49 (talk) 20:25, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
  • My understanding of the original disputes that led to this particular discretionary sanctions regime is that the disputes were more along ethnic lines within certain parts of Europe. The various situations presented in the original request for clarification all seem to be edge cases, and would be probably best dealt with on the individual merits of a known conflict or dispute as it arises; the particulars of geographical location would be but one factor in determining whether this discretionary sanctions regime applies. For example, ethnic disputes involving Kazakhstan would probably be lumped under "Central Asia" and not "Eastern Europe (let's ignore for a moment what does and doesn't have a DS regime presently). In contrast, my instinct would be to lump anything Russia-related under Eastern Europe given the likely cultural basis for a dispute. But, I should emphasize again that I don't see a good one-size-fits-all answer here. Maxim(talk) 17:40, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
  • Crimea is in Eastern Europe, so editing conflicts related to that region (and to go along with Maxim's line of reasoning, ethnic-related conflicts in particular) would fall under the Eastern Europe DS regime. Primefac (talk) 13:48, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Clarification request: Palestine-Israel articles 4

Initiated by Xaosflux at 16:44, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Case or decision affected
Palestine-Israel articles 4 arbitration case (t) (ev / t) (w / t) (pd / t)

List of any users involved or directly affected, and confirmation that all are aware of the request:

Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request

This is really to get clarification of this in general, so we can provide any appropriate guidance to admins - not a critique on any specific admin's action. — xaosflux Talk 16:53, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Statement by Xaosflux

In 2021 the related Extended confirmed restriction omnibus motion was passed, and replacing the specific restrictions on users with selection of the Extendedconfirmed user group as requirement. We have had some recent discussion at WP:PERM if this includes any user that any administrator also decides to add to that user group, even if they do not meet the normal requirements, and even if for the explicit purpose of bypassing this remedy. There are sometimes non-remedy reasons to give someone EC early (not related to WP:LEGITSOCKs which I don't think anyone is confused about), when I give someone EC early for some non-remedy reason I normally warn them to purposefully avoid articles under this remedy until they would naturally qualify. So in summary, may admins allow any editor to bypass this remedy by adding them to this user group?

Statement by {other-editor}

Other editors are free to make relevant comments on this request as necessary. Comments here should opine whether and how the Committee should clarify or amend the decision or provide additional information.

Palestine-Israel articles 4: Clerk notes

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Palestine-Israel articles 4: Arbitrator views and discussion

  • My initial thoughts are that the wording says "extended-confirmed editors", and does not indicate how or why the user has reached this status. This permission, unlike autoconfirmed, can be removed for abuse. As you say, administrators will often grant ECP for users that do not meet the automatically-granting criteria, so one can reasonably make the assumption that unless the admin in question has gone rouge and is promoting the editor for non-benign reasons, the user in question can be assumed to have it for a valid or useful purpose. If that turns out not to be the case, then the user can have the permission removed from their account.
    In other words, my initial reaction is that I see no issue with an admin granting ECP, full stop, provided it is for a legitimate or otherwise reasonable purpose. Primefac (talk) 17:04, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
  • My initial thought is we explicitly decided to link these remedies to ECP, so if ECP changes this would change with it. Or, as in this case, there might be other reasons for ECP and it's OK for an editor to edit in these areas if they have the permission. So if an editor gets the right they can edit the area even if they normally wouldn't qualify. That said I'd be very skeptical of someone requesting the right to edit these areas. Barkeep49 (talk) 17:40, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
  • I agree. This is linked to ECP for better or worse, and incidents of abuse will have to be dealt with on their own. --BDD (talk) 18:45, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

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Golden

Golden is warned that his actions in the Armenia-Azerbaijan topic area have been disruptive as per this report, and that the next minor infraction will result in a topic ban, block or both. This warning is a type of sanction, and will be logged in the AE logs. Dennis Brown - 21:18, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

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Request concerning Golden

User who is submitting this request for enforcement
ZaniGiovanni (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 18:22, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
User against whom enforcement is requested
Golden (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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Sanction or remedy to be enforced
Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan_2
Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
  1. 17 June 2022 - Golden removes Armenian name from the lead with insufficient explanation.
  2. 8 July 2022 - Golden decides to reply to the solid arguments presented on talk just a mere 20 days later, despite editing numerous times during those days. The reply is an irrelevant search result that isn’t pertaining to the arguments of including the alternative name in the lead, and there is more disturbing context to it, see my elaboration in the additional comments below. WP:DISRUPTSIGNS, WP:CIR
  3. 9 July 2022 - Golden reinstates their own problematic edit less than 12 hours later with “rv per talk”, referring to their subpar talk reply and ignoring consensus on talk. WP:DISRUPTSIGNS, WP:CIR
  4. 17 June 2022; [1], [2] (18 June 2022) - Golden rewrote articles while adding unsourced “forcing the Azerbaijani population to flee”. After I asked them to clarify on Talk:Mərzili#Unsourced and addressed their latest argument, also asking them to stop doing same sentence additions until the discussion is over and we have some sort of consensus, they still continued doing so now with “forcing the Kurdish and Azerbaijani population to flee”, without a source and without engaging/explanation to my last comment. WP:OR, WP:ONUS, WP:DISRUPTSIGNS, WP:CIR
Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
  1. 16 April 2020 - Blocked for sockpuppetry for 3 days
  2. 3 April 2021 - Blocked for sockpuppetry indefinitely
  3. 22 October 2021 - Put under AA topic ban as an unblock condition
  4. 23 April 2022 - AA topic ban lifted
If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)
  • Alerted about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months, on 9 May 2022
Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Golden was blocked for sockpuppeting and, on a condition to remove the block, put under an AA topic ban. Although the topic ban was appealed a few months ago on April 23rd, Golden has continued to display the same tendentious pattern that resulted in their block and topic ban, as much of their sockpuppeting focused on name changes for settlements in Azerbaijan. I did a courtesy warning about one of Golden's edits to their mentor, see User_talk:MJL#Monitoring_/_mentoring. Golden agreed to self-revert the tendentious edit per their mentor's advice. However, the problematic behavior of Golden in the AA area didn’t improve even after this.

They removed the Armenian name from the Zangilan lead with insufficient explanation, see the 1st diff. They were replied to with talk arguments that they didn’t address for 20 days. It gets very confusing and bad faith from here on; user Armatura who made the arguments was blocked on 8th of July (unrelated to Zangilan lead), only after which, hours later, Golden finally bothered to reply to a now blocked user. With what intentions when now Armatura can't reply back, I'm not sure. Golden’s reply itself was an irrelevant search result and didn't address the arguments of alternative name in the lead (wasn't a move discussion). But Golden didn't stop there; they restored their own edit less than 12 hours later after that 20 day delayed reply, with an edit summary "per talk". They reinstated their own edit based on that subpar talk comment when the opposing user has no means to reply. Even other opposing editors on talk (who formed consensus) didn’t have the chance to reply either (when I saw Golden’s reinstating edit, I reverted and commented myself).

In good faith, I asked about this on Golden’s talk first, wanting to understand their rationale. There should’ve been one I thought given how serious this is, given their recent tban, and given that I just notified about their tendentious edit after the tban - all of these should’ve been enough reflection for Golden and I expected a well justified rationale for their behavior. Yet all I received were elusive justifications and reassurances that amount to nothing at this point, User_talk:Golden#I_want_to_understand_your_rationale_first.

Other examples include Golden adding unsourced content in articles without addressing the arguments, see the diffs in 4th point. I think this user didn't learn anything and their tban should be reinstated, the length of their original probation wasn't enough to make them edit without tendentious pattern/behavior. Perhaps, an indef would be more suiting.

Tamzin Golden shows diff from June, claiming that "information was there" and they only expanded. In reality, it was added by Golden themselves, 23 April, after their tban appeal, with no source. The later expansion added more unsourced wording without addressing talk arguments.
The issue now isn’t whether a source for it actually exists or not, but that Golden was pushing it without having a source himself and that he omitted adding it in April. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 05:43, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
I read Golden's followup explanation regarding today's edit. I don't know what to say. This might be a WP:CIR issue because one should be more diligent
especially while they're being reported in AE. The current diffs in this case I presented are more concerning to me, and the behavior that followed up with them. Also the fact that a certain editor keeps defending Golden to the point of "even a formal warning is too much here" leaves me flabbergasted. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 18:22, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
Administrator note: Struck; see below. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 18:44, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
Tamzin You’re correct, the discussion is about Golden. My apologies. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 19:01, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

[3]


Discussion concerning Golden

Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator.
Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.

Statement by Golden

I explained my reasoning for the first three diffs (which are all part of the same dispute) here, and I don't have anything else to add at the moment. Regarding the last diff, I provided ZaniGiovanni with a reliable source for the change, which he did not find satisfactory and requested further detail from sources. I believe the source I've provided is sufficient enough and the level of detail he is expecting is unrealistic, which is why I haven't responded further. — Golden call me maybe? 19:32, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

@Tamzin: The following information was already in the article prior to my rewrite ([4]): The Azerbaijani and Kurdish population of the village fled during the First Nagorno-Karabakh when Armenian forces captured the village. So my expansion added no new information about this in particular. — Golden call me maybe? 16:29, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
@Dennis Brown: The only history of socking and AA topic bans I have is a sockpuppet block from 2020, where during the appeal I was unblocked with the condition of a topic ban until I could demonstrate my ability to edit constructively in other topics, which I did and successfully appealed. So I've only been blocked and topic banned once in AA. I don't doubt the fairness of any of these sanctions and they were deserved.
I have acknowledged that my revert of the blocked user so hastily (the first three diffs) was a mistake, and I have explained why in my talk page (see my first comment here). My reasoning for the fourth diff was also outlined in my earlier comments on this page. None of these, in my opinion, are serious enough to merit a full topic ban. I do concur that this topic area is a cesspool of POV, incivility, and edit warring, and I have made every effort to stay out of it. But have undoubtedly made some errors in the process, for which I have repeatedly accepted responsibility and apologized. — Golden call me maybe? 19:19, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
@Dennis Brown, Tamzin: I don't have any objections to a logged warning. — Golden call me maybe? 14:59, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Statement by MJL

This edit had sufficient explanation. These were not solid arguments and starts with a bold-face falsehood because Armatura pointed out Golden's revert 3 minutes after Golden had already self-reverted. This is the type of thing that made Armatura difficult to deal with, so understandably Golden decided to disengage for a while. Where Golden went wrong was re-instating their edits so soon after their reply (and waiting so long to reply in general). However, it is a stretch to say anything on that talk page was a "consensus" for either side. ZG claims there was, but that is doubtful with the amount of bad faith found in that thread.

Golden consistently expresses a willingness to listen to others and self-correct. ([5]) They have written content like Declaration of Independence of Azerbaijan to GA status since the topic ban has been lifted. Golden has been almost entirely absent from the drama boards which I personally find incredibly commendable.

Does Golden still get into disputes? Of course, but they have kept their cool even during stressful situations. If most editors in AA2 were like Golden, then the project would be better off in my opinion.

That said, I am biased here. Golden is a wiki-friend of mine. The "mentor-mentee" aspect of our relationship is a bit overblown (it's mostly just me being supportive and pointing out any potential missteps as I see them). I was personally incredibly upset about these two edits since I was involved with Armatura's block and don't want anyone to think I did that to proxy for Golden or anything. Armatura's behavior had been bothering me for a while, but if I weighed in on the content dispute itself I would probably have taken his side.

MJLTalk 19:10, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

@Tamzin: I'm not seeing a problem with the edit you mentioned except that it is uncited. I did a bit of digging, and I was able to confirm that, yes, Kurds were forced to flee their homes in the Lachlan District (including Minkend) in 1992 (Available from Academic Search Complete in EBSCOHost using WP:TWL). Golden's phrasing was honestly an incredibly neutral way to describe what happened considering my source says All, or almost all, Muslims were driven out or fled. A number were killed, and many more died before they reached the Azerbaijani lines or Iran. That's not from a partisan source for the record; it's the Central Asian Survey.MJLTalk 05:28, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
@Dennis Brown: I highly disagree with your assessment here. Golden has very much improved their editing abilities, and they have clearly proven capable of contributing to this topic area in a NPOV manner (see GA status of Flag of Azerbaijan and Declaration of Independence of Azerbaijan as examples). Even a formal warning is too much here.
This topic area is a cesspool of bad actors and unsavory denizens, but Golden has navigated it to the best of their abilities despite it all.
Is Golden perfect? Absolutely not. I have expressed my displeasure with several edits on their part many times. However, if you look at where we used to be and where we are now, you will see an improvement from Golden as time passes. That's all that matters here when determining what should be sanctioned. –MJLTalk 17:23, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
@ZaniGiovanni: Really Zani? Golden reverts a user, explains the reasoning when prompted, hears your response, and apologizes; yet you are flabbergasted that I'm defending them? –MJLTalk 18:33, 28 July 2022 (UTC)


Statement by (username)

Result concerning Golden

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.
  • @ZaniGiovanni: Your statement, including addendum, is currently at 752 words. Please shorten it to at most 500. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 03:18, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
  • Thanks for trimming your statement, ZaniGIovanni.
    There's nothing wrong with waiting a while to respond to something, assuming you have no WP:MESS to clean up (WP:NOTCOMPULSORY / WP:VOLUNTEER). However, restoring the edit without waiting for discussion—noting that, while Armatura had been blocked by this point, Laurel Lodged had also commented agreeing with Armatura—was suboptimal, at the very least, and not the kind of behavior you want to see from someone fresh off of a TBAN. My greater concern, though, is with ZaniGiovanni's fourth point. Adding forcing the Kurdish and Azerbaijani population to flee to an article, without a citation, after being previously called out for usage of similar phrases, seems like poor judgment at best, and a provocation at worst. Golden, could you please comment on [6] in particular? -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 16:46, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
    Acknowledging the pings I've gotten here; would like to hear other admins' perspectives before commenting further. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 15:46, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
    @ZaniGiovanni: I'll grant another 200 words for the matter you raised on my talk, if you want, but I don't think I can advise as to whether it's worth raising in the first place; that's something you have to decide for yourself. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 17:39, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
    @ZaniGiovanni: This is AE, not AN/I. Please keep your comments on-topic and civil. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 18:44, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
    @Dennis Brown: A logged warning makes sense to me. If Golden really is trying to be coöperative in this topic area, then hopefully a warning will encourage them to slow down a bit and avoid behavior that could be misconstrued as tendentious editing. And if they are engaged in tendentious editing, well, a warning will be helpful for other reasons. Like you, I'd like to believe they really are trying—in no small part because I've seen how much effort a few editors whose judgment I quite respect have put into their rehabilitation. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 21:21, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
  • My view is pretty much in line with Tamzin here. I'm on the cusp between a formal logged warning and an outright topic ban. If there wasn't the long history of socking and AA topic bans, it would be a formal logged warning. The topic area is a cesspool of POV, edit warring and petty bickering, to be honest. Golden's behavior IS a problem, and if they don't get a topic ban today, they are on the way if they continue down this path. I would support either path, but something needs to be done on a formal basis. Dennis Brown - 11:04, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
    I'm gonna go out on a limb and recommend a formal, logged warning (ie: done as a sanction but no restrictions), meaning that the next borderline issue will likely be met with a quick block from any admin passing buy. Golden is either doing a good job of fooling me, or genuinely gets it and is willing to modify their behavior, and I would like to give the benefit of the doubt. A logged warning is still justified, as a "last chance" before harder sanctions are applied. This of course is just my opinion at this stage, and is subject to change based on the input of others. If we go down this road, I would strongly suggest that Golden find interests outside the AA area, to occupy the bulk of their time. Dennis Brown - 20:47, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Durga

Mili977 and Keshavv1234 are topic banned from the areas of India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan, broadly construed. Seraphimblade Talk to me 11:50, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.
Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.

Request concerning Durga

User who is submitting this request for enforcement
ais523 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Users against whom enforcement is requested
Mili977 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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Keshavv1234 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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Sanction or remedy to be enforced
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan#Standard discretionary sanctions
Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

There's been a large-scale edit war going on between Mili977 and Keshavv1234 on Durga recently. It's clearest from the page history, but a good sample is the same edit being reverted back and forth beyond WP:3RR by both editors in question:

By Mili977
  1. 1 August 2022 Making the edit
  2. 1 August 2022 Undoing revert 1
  3. 1 August 2022 Undoing revert 2
  4. 1 August 2022 Undoing revert 3
  5. 1 August 2022 Undoing revert 4 (3RR violation)
By Keshavv1234
  1. 1 August 2022 Revert 1 of the edit
  2. 1 August 2022 Revert 2 of the edit
  3. 1 August 2022 Revert 3 of the edit
  4. 1 August 2022 Revert 4 of the edit (3RR violation)
  5. 1 August 2022 Revert 5 of the edit

This is by far not the only edit being warred over – there are a number of other edit wars by the same two editors on the same page – but one example seems enough to show what has been going on on the page. The edit war as a whole is well over 20RR each by now.

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
  • 16 July 2021 Mili977 was blocked for edit warring
  • I'm not aware of any previous sanctions for Keshavv1234 (but have no prior involvement in this, so may have missed some)
If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)
  • Both users were alerted about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months, see the system logs linked to above.
Additional comments by editor filing complaint
I'm uninvolved in this, and filing it only because the edit war in question was brought to my attention by User:Fred Zepelin at the Teahouse – filing an AE request is complex enough, and reporting two users at once more complex, that I thought I'd do it myself (looking at the page history, the edit warring obviously needs reporting, and the page is subject to arbitration enforcement so it makes sense to report it here). I don't know what Fred Zepelin's relation to the article is, but they don't seem to have edited it recently.
Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

I notified Mili977 and Keshavv1234. --ais523 01:34, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Discussion concerning Durga

Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator.
Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.

Statement by Mili977

User:Keshavv1234 has added many biased details on the Durga page. He has unnecessarily exalted the form of Durga and used common names addressing Mahadevi to other names of Goddess Durga. Some of them are common names used only by North Indians. For example, the word Devi Maa is a common North Indian name for the Goddess. Then it will not be wrong to apply the South Indian name as Amman. In many other pages belonging to Mahadevi, he mentions that the main form of Mahadevi is only as Durga.And some of the references he gives to his descriptions do not support his facts. Thank you.

Statement by Keshavv1234

Respected,

User Mili977 has continuously done such poor, disruptive and misleading edits resulting in total vandalism at the articles related to deities in Hinduism. Especially, he keeps adding and removing content with his personal believes, without any reason and sources. He was disturbing the article Durga currently. Few days back, he was trying to add/remove all general information from the Durga article and adding his own perceptions. Then, I quickly reverted all those edits. Then again he reverted/undo my edits and this kept going on and on. When at last the page was fully protected (administrative protection and access required) by Favonian. And just a day prior the administrative protection was automatically expired and the page was accessible again for all. Then, I restored the page to the original version and removed the misleading edits by Mili977. And again, he started his disruptive editing. I've seen many users warning him earlier also about his misleading edits related to goddesses especially. He's also seen disturbing articles like Mahadevi, Navadurgas, Tripura Sundari, Bhuvaneshwari and many others related to hindu goddesses regularly. Also I request that Durga article be permanent or for some long time semi protected (extended confirmed access required) as some other new editors also try to disturb the page.

I'm not devoted to any deity to be honest. I was just improving the page by keeping it's originality. But he keeps adding his personal stuff and removing all properly sourced as well as general information which is on the article from so long. Also Navaratri and Navadurgas pages are totally associated with Durga. And he tries to add Mahadevi only everywhere, by which he tries to prove that there's no need of independent pages of Durga and other goddesses. He replace Mahadevi or Adi Shakti with every goddesses. Adi Shakti is the energy lying among them but they are in separate aspects. As, Durga article is possibly viewed by a lot of people so I also continuously reverted his misleading edits. Also I've noticed that he continuously tries to promote Tripura Sundari and Bhuvaneshwari only as supreme goddesses and taking all other goddesses under them which is totally irrelevant. I've asked him many times that his misleading edits at Durga needs to be stopped otherwise the page will be disrupted or broken due to tons of edits. The current version of Durga page is the only best revision which all is fully sourced. The user mili977 also removed many information deliberately which spoiled even the grammatical structure of the article. I myself didn't added any information as per my believes till now. The information there without sourcing is already removed by me and the current is the best revision on the page. Check more details on this matter at Durga's talk page/consensus.

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  • Given that the two editors are still engaged in edit warring even while this request is open, I will very shortly be taking some action to bring this under control. My only question, at this point, is whether that will be an ARBIPA topic ban, or just a flat out indef as a normal admin action. Any input on that is welcome, otherwise I'll consider that and proceed. Seraphimblade Talk to me 08:16, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
    As an aside to ais523, just for information and by no way as criticism on you, the usual way of reporting multiple users to AE would be as a separate report for each, so that each one can be discussed and evaluated individually. But in this case, since the issue is an edit war between the two, I see no issue with handling the two together in this case. Seraphimblade Talk to me 08:17, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

My very best wishes

Not necessarily the best behavior, but not really a WP:AE issue. Dennis Brown - 20:41, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
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Request concerning My very best wishes

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Gitz6666 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 02:31, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
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Lyudmyla Denisova (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

On 24 June My very best wishes (MVBW) made this bold edit [7], which he then strenuously defended against any attempt to modify and revert it. He particularly resisted my attempts to remove the (at first sight trivial) information that former Ukrainian ombudsperson Denisova had shared a database on war crimes with other government officials and prosecutors. That information had been published by New York Times on 2 May but had later been called into question and denied by Ukrainska Pravda, Meduza and by the Ukrainian Prosecutor General Iryna Venediktova.

  • Contentious content: She shared this database with other government officials and prosecutors
  1. Following my revert at 16:35, 8 July 2022, MVBW restores at 01:33, 22 July 2022 [8].
  2. At 12:59, 22 July 2022 I open a section in the talk page "Communication with law enforcement" and revert at 13:01, 22 July 2022; MVBW restores at 15:24, 22 July 2022 [9].
  3. Following my revert (mentioning WP:ONUS and BDR) at 15:46, 22 July 2022, MVBW restores at 21:19, 26 July 2022 [10].
  4. MVBW restores at 19:44, 28 July 2022 [11].
  5. MVBW restores at 20:06, 29 July 2022 [12].
  6. MVBW restores at 03:49, 1 August 2022 [13]
  7. MVBW restores at 00:06, 2 August 2022 [14].
  8. MVBW restores at 09:59, 2 August 2022 [15].

I would like to know if believe that MBVW violated WP:ONUS, WP:NOCON, WP:BLPSOURCE and WP:BLPREMOVE by restoring eight times contentious materials.

  • In the talk page discussion MVBW refuses to get the point and repeatedly says that this article confirms that Denisova shared the information with prosecutors, exactly as the article in NYT said. To me this looks like WP:CPP. I would like to know if believe that MVBW violated WP:CIV and WP:NPOV.
  • MVBW repeatedly restores other contentious contents:
  1. Denisova described as one of the leading voices of Ukraine’s suffering and outrage. Following my revert mentioning WP:BLPSTYLE and WP:BLPBALANCE at 17:51, 1 August 2022, MVBW restores at 00:06, 2 August 2022 [16] and again at 09:59, 2 August 2022 [17].
  2. Allegation by Denisova that in many cases Russian soldiers called Ukrainian women "Nazi whores" and raped them “until they can’t give birth, or give birth to their children, etc. Following my revert at 22:17, 30 July 2022, MVBW restores at 10:32, 2 August 2022 [18].
  • At the same time, MVBW removes any information about Denisova's allegations of sexual war crimes not being supported by "sufficient evidence" according to the open letter by 140 Ukrainian journalists and human rights activists (The New Voice of Ukraine), her allegations being "unverifiable" according to Pavlo Frolov, chairman of the Ukrainian parliament regulatory committee (Deutsche Welle and Wall Street Journal) and her allegations being "exaggerated" (Denisova herself in EuroWeeklyNews and LB.ua). These criticisms of Denisova's allegations are notable because they were one of the reasons for her removal from office on 31 May.

As these information had been added to the article/edited/restored by multiple editors, I would like to know if believe that their repeated removal was contrary to WP:CON as well as to WP:NPOV.

  1. MVBW removes Pavlo Frolov's criticism of Denisova's "unverifiable" statements about sexual war crimes. Originally added/edited/restored by Mhorg, JustTheT, Gitz6666, Boynamedsue, Bobfrombrockley, the info is removed by MVBW at 23:04, 20 June 2022 [19], by Just Alabama at 12:34, 21 July 2022 and again by MVBW at 21:19, 26 July 2022 [20] because the opinion by Frolov is essentially a duplication (a duplication of the following info, which MVBW was also about to remove).
  2. MVBW removes the analogous criticism made by 140 journalists and activists in an open letter. Originally added and edited by Boynamedsue and Gitz6666, the info is removed by MVBW at 17:20, 21 July 2022 [21] (with misleading edit summary: no mention of unverifiable allegations) and at 01:31, 22 July 2022 [22] (again with misleading edit summary).
  3. MVBW removes the statement by Denisova about her reports on war crimes being "exaggerated" in order to help the military effort. Originally added, edit or restored by LilAhok, Gabel1960, Mhorg, Huldra, Gitz6666, and MVBW himself at 20:55, 15 June 2022 [23], the info is removed by MVBW multiple times: 22:49, 24 June 2022 [24], at 12:23, 27 July 2022 [25] and at 22:03, 30 July 2022 [26] (WP:POINTy edit as made clear by the edit summary since you appeal to "ONUS" in BLP).
Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
  1. I don't know about any BLPDS sanctions. Previously sanctioned in WP:EEML; Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Russavia-Biophys#Biophys. With the username Biophys (battlefiled mentality and edit warring in the EE area).
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  • Alerted about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months, see the system log linked to above.
  • Participated in an arbitration request or enforcement procedure about the area of conflict in the last twelve months, on 18 July 2022.
Additional comments by editor filing complaint

@GizzyCatBella: Admittedly I have much to learn about WP policies and I appreciate this discussion also as an opportunity to understand what's permissible and what's a no-no here around. Note, however, that this dispute is not at all about content disagreement. In fact, I never tried to publish the info that Denisova did not share her database with law enforcement agencies (as reported by Meduza, UP, etc.). My arguments about the database were entirely based on policies (WP:V, WP:ONUS and WP:NPOV) as you can see from my edit summaries (e.g. [27], [28]) and from my OP [29]. I'm sure that such an experienced editor as MVBW was aware that per WP:BLPSOURCE and WP:BLPREMOVE contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced should be removed immediately and without discussion. This applies whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable. He knew that this info had become both topical to Ukrainian politics and factually dubious following Denisova's removal from office and the news reports published from 31 May onwards, and yet he restored the info eight times. As the info on sharing a database is by itself of scarce interest, clearly the reason why he was so eager to have it is that he was playing some kind of politics game in Ukraine: he was defending Denisova's reputation and/or defending the reliability of her allegations of Russian war crimes (such as "infant girl of 6 months was raped with a teaspoon", " nine-month-old girl is raped with a candle", "four of them raped the toddlers in pairs, orally and anally, while the fifth soldier was holding the mother", etc. [30] [31]). In both cases, this kind of POV-pushing is disrespectful of our policies and shouldn't be allowed in the EE area. Gitz (talk) (contribs) 13:26, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

@My very best wishes, in your statement you say, with regard to the letter from 140 journalists, All I did was moving this info to a more appropriate section [186], contrary to claim by Gitz666. You then share this diff [32], which also I had shared, but that diff shows that you removed the following text:

Among other demands, they requested that she should publish only information for which their was sufficient evidence and check facts before making allegations, consider her language with care and avoid sensationalism and respect the privacy of those affected by sexual violence.

Also your edit summary is inaccurate/incomplete. Gitz (talk) (contribs) 14:19, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
@Dennis Brown I agree that this is also a content dispute, but perhaps it is not exclusively about contents. Let me explain.
  1. The database thing is not mainly about contents. We shouldn't publish what NYT (and Denisova) said at the beginning of May without also publishing what Ukrainskaia Pravda (and Venediktova) said at the end of May, otherwise it would be like playing politics in Ukraine. We'd be saying "we don't trust your newspapers and officials, NYT says Denisova is great and we stick with our Denisova". WP:NPOV requires that either we don't publish anything about the database (which IMHO would be the reasonable thing to do) or we publish everything RS tell us about it.
  2. Restoring eight times might be less than satisfactory behaviour, but maintaining that this source confirms that Denisova shared the information with prosecutors, exactly as the article in NYT said [33] [34] [35] is worse. It's impossible to discuss with someone who doesn't want to WP:LISTEN.
  3. It's true that all the rest is related to content. People can disagree on whether we should say that she was one of the leading voices of Ukraine's suffering, report her allegations (Nazi whores, etc.), say that some of her allegations were deemed unverified or exaggerated by 140 journalists, by politicians and apparently also by herself. But as one of my favourite essays says, there must be a way of dealing with "civil" POV pushers—editors who repeatedly disregard or manipulate Wikipedia's content policies but are superficially civil. I'm pretty sure that MVBW is a case of anti-Russian advocate, but there's no way for me to prove that apart from drawing your attention on the contents he promotes, which are always one-sided.

Anyway, if this request is unfounded I apologize for that. It was made in good faith. In the future I will avoid advancing others without first having asked the advice of an admin, as GizzyCatBella suggests me to do. Gitz (talk) (contribs) 00:59, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

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Discussion concerning My very best wishes

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Statement by My very best wishes

Yes, we have content disagreements with Gitz6666 on page Denisova. We discussed them on article talk page, and all my edits have been fully explained there. There is also a related thread on RSNB started by Gitz6666, and I think the question he asked on RSNB boils down to this [37].

Speaking on the content I suggested to include, here is it: [38] and [39]. This is sourced to an article about Denisova published in New York Times [40]. Author is a regular and well established contributor to NYT [41], this is not an editorial. Note that the content I wanted to include is mostly a direct citation from the article. The article in NYT is not an advertisement. I did not use any potentially problematic sources, such as the article in Ukrainska Pravda or the posting in Meduza noted by Gitz666 (the latter does even have an author [42]). Please note that none of other RS contradicts information I tried to include from the article in NYT (two my diffs above), contrary to claims by Gitz6666. The only contributor who objected to including this material was Gitz6666. I do not think he provided any legitimate reasons for not including it; simply saying "WP:ONUS" is not a proper justification.

No, I did not object to including info about "open letter by 140 Ukrainian journalists and human rights activists", and this info is currently included to the page. All I did was moving this info to a more appropriate section [43], contrary to claim by Gitz666. As about "exaggerated", the exactly meaning of this word is not clear, and I tried to refine what she said using more direct citation: [44], although I think that such citation adds little to the page and ultimately better be removed to provide proper balance on the page [45]: the page includes a huge paragraph about her dismissal, but tells almost nothing about her actual work during the war (this is something I tried to include, but Gitz666 repeatedly removed "per WP:ONUS").

If it helps, I can voluntarily stop editing the page about Denisova for a couple of months. My very best wishes (talk) 08:33, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

@Dennis Brown:. Thank you, I got your point. No more reverts. A consensus is needed for including this or any other content. OK. But the consensus building may take a lot of effort, depending on the subject and participants. If I feel it takes too much effort, I will simply edit something else. There is nothing so exceptional about this subject. My very best wishes (talk) 19:19, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Statement by GizzyCatBella

This appears to be yet another content disagreement brought to AE.

Sorry Gitz6666, you would like to know if MBVW violated this.. and that and that.. and something else? (!?) If you don’t know what has been violated, what are you doing here? Perhaps you should study our rules first or ask elsewhere? - GizzyCatBella🍁 09:39, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

@Gitz6666 - I don’t believe this board has been set up to learn WP policies. The way you produced this claim appears to me like fishing for sanctions. You should deliver clear policy breach pieces of evidence, not ask questions. (This board is being abused too often in my humble opinion.)
@My very best wishes - Why should you voluntarily stop editing the page about Denisova for a couple of months? You folks should ask for input from additional users (RfC) and resolve your disagreements this way. - GizzyCatBella🍁 17:05, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Statement by Aquillion

The "remove on sight" aspects of WP:BLP apply to negative material - stuff that is potentially defamatory or harmful. It's hard to see how this could harm the reputation of the subject or any other living person, so there's no good-faith BLP objection and WP:BLPDS doesn't apply. That doesn't mean it should necessarily stay, of course, or that it was a good idea to repeatedly restore a WP:BOLD addition, but it's not a matter for AE. --Aquillion (talk) 18:24, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

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Result concerning My very best wishes

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.
  • Yes, much of this is more a content dispute than anything. That said, My very best wishes' conduct is less than satisfactory, and Gitz6666's report is a bit weak in the area of deserving AE sanctions. Let me be clear: You should only report something at AE when it is a clear cut Arbitration violation that other venues can't handle. As an admin, if I had stumbled across that article while the reverting was going on, I would have full protected it and instructed the two of you (and others) go to the talk page and hash it out, as it is a pretty simple issue. I wouldn't have thought "I need to apply AE sanctions against someone", even though I'm fully authorized to do that outside of this board. MVBW, you are a bit too invested in this. Take it to the talk page, or take a break. Or break, then in a month take it to the talk page. But adding that information isn't an emergency, and AE/DS aside, when you get reverted, WP:BRD is pretty clear in that you are better off talking about it instead of edit warring over it. I think the deletion of it and claiming ONUS had a bit of grandstanding mixed in there, but still correct on a technical ground. In short, I see bad behavior, but I'm not inclined to block or tban anyone over it just yet, particularly since MVBW has offered to pull back from editing there for a bit. Dennis Brown - 17:44, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
  • There is no policy that says "if you use the New York Times, you must also use $x source" In fact, WP:V says "because this project is in English, English-language sources are preferred over non-English ones when they're available and of equal quality and relevance." So it's about neutrality, WP:DUE and balance, which are content issues, not behavioral issues. We can not, and will not, tell editors that they must use particular sources at WP:AE. As for publishing "everything", that isn't entirely accurate, at last in the general sense, as we often exclude minority opinions in articles. Regardless, the talk page (and maybe an RFC) is the solution, not admin action. Dennis Brown - 01:10, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

SPECIFICO

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Request concerning SPECIFICO

User who is submitting this request for enforcement
NadVolum (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 23:42, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
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SPECIFICO (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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Sanction or remedy to be enforced
AP2

remedy the post-1992 American politics DS regime

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
  1. 6 August 2022 I undid a recent edit removing a lot of text in Julian Assange which had been there for a very long time. In accord with the active sanctions on that page my undo should not be reverted straight away without consensus. SPECIFICO knows this - he quotes the active remedies in the edit comment! NadVolum (talk) 23:42, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
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Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Sorry I'm having problems with this form. The remedy instructions and exemptions says to report immediately here. SPECIFICO quite often reverts other peoples edits and then stop anyone putting in the change unless there's been extensive discussions or an RfC establishing clear consensus against them.

There's no BLP issue. Neither the person who originally removed it nor SPECIFICO said there was a BLP issue. It has been there for a long time. NadVolum (talk) 18:59, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
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Discussion concerning SPECIFICO

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Statement by SPECIFICO

Responding to request of Dennis Brown:

In case anyone is not aware, this complaint is the fourth concurrent open thread in which NadVolum has filed complaints against me, for whatever reasons. The others are, 1 2 3. All of these relate to the BLP articles in the Julian Assange orbit, where there have been ongoing BLP problems that I would say may be underlain by a few editors' insistent and unduly credulous acceptance of various narratives of Assange and his supporters -- even when acceptance conflict with WP content and sourcing policies. The community's lack of endorsement of any of those complaints does raise the possiblity that the current complaint is part of a campaign of forum shopping by OP to vent their personal frustration with me over content issues.

For those who are not familiar with OP, this is a Single Purpose Account that has made very few edits outside of pages on Assange or setting the table to support content on the Assange page.

There have been discusions on the article talk page for some time about the importance of trimming Assange's personal biography page so as to include only the significant details of his life (including those at Wikileaks) but not the actions of Wikileaks for which there is no content linking Assange to those action. Similar issues arise in many bio pages of public figures in politics and related fields. @Softlemonades: removed some such content, for which as far as I can tell no prior discussion that would privilege it as established consensus, and as I stated in my edit summary undoing OP's rapid reinsertion, I think there should have been talk page discussion prior to reinstating that content. It's evident that I think that's consistent with "consensus required" -- I would hardly cite own edit as a violation of the page restriction, as OP seems to claim. It is also evident (though not discussed in the past 6 months) that non-Assange but Wikileaks content creates BLP problems for this article. We should not be including every adventure and every scandal of Wikileaks as if it is Assange's hand at work or Assange's personal responsibility. OP has participated in at least one such discussion and is aware of various editors' BLP concerns One such discussion is here. This issue has come up many times. Softlemonades raised the issue on the talk page after she removed the content, which is what prompted my revert of OP's reinsertion.

We also have OP very carelessly posting clearcut BLP violations on several occasions, e.g. when he stated as fact that Hillary Clinton wanted to kill Assange with a drone, offering a sheepish retraction at the bottom of this thread, saying he really didn't check into it. This followed a long discussion of the issue at the David Leigh (journalist) page and OP's own posting of related thread at BLPN.

Finally, OP went straight to this AE complaint without even coming to my user talk page to voice his concern or warn me that such a complaint was imminent. I can't recall the last time a complaint was made on any editor no attempt at prior engagement. It wastes lots of editor and Admin resources.

@Dennis Brown: Could you explain "out of process by the number of reverts"? I am not understanding that. My reading of the sequence is that Softlemonades challenged the BLP/Wikilinks content and then NadVolum reinstated it instead of going to talk. Meanwhile, when Softlemonades opened the talk thread, I undid what I believe was the out of process reinstatement of challenged article content (with the associated BLP issues). As I said in my edit summary, I think the reinstatement of the challenged content violated the page restriction "consensus required". SPECIFICO talk 01:05, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Comment by GoodDay

Which Arbcom case, is being requested to enforce? GoodDay (talk) 12:28, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

It's the red-link above, that's confusing me. Thus my question, which Arbcom case is being referred to? GoodDay (talk) 19:51, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Ok, now I know which case. GoodDay (talk) 22:35, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Recommend the disputing editors open an RFC at the Julian Assange page, in order to clarify the consensus-in-question. If there's doubts about what that consensus is. GoodDay (talk) 01:56, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Statement by Aquillion

Unless I'm misunderstanding the situation... per WP:BLPRESTORE, in situations where BLP does apply, the default when there is a conflict over BLP-sensitive material is to leave it out, not in. This is a specific exception to the usual WP:BRD procedure and the way we handle WP:NOCON situations. In order to restore the text in question you would have to argue that it is not BLP sensitive or that there is an existing consensus for it, and even then, one revert removing it wouldn't normally be WP:AE-worthy. The "teeth" of WP:BLPDS - the stuff that calls for an immediate AE action even from one or two bad edits - is intended for things that could potentially harm the reputation of article's subject. --Aquillion (talk) 12:57, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Statement by Mr Ernie

That isn't how it works and SPECIFICO knows it, as they were topic banned about two years ago for almost the exact same thing.. An editor removed long standing text (which implies it had consensus to be there), NadVolum reverts it back in, and SPECIFICO reverts it back out insisting on a new consensus. If SPECIFICO's edit summary was valid, it would give editors license to revert stuff they don't like out of controversial articles and require new, fresh discussions to find consensus for it to go back in, regardless of how longstanding it was. Mr Ernie (talk) 13:53, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Nad - amend your request and replace the red text under “Sanction or remedy to be enforced” to link to WP:ARBAPDS. Mr Ernie (talk) 20:29, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Statement by NadVolum

In response to Aquillon, there is no BLP issue. Neither the person who originally removed the text nor SPECIFICO said there was a BLP issue and it has been around for a long time. In the discussion by the original person on the talk page Talk:Julian_Assange#Why_list_things_Assange_wasnt_actively_involved_in? you can see they talked about why if this was okay wasn't it okay to list all the major scandals and criticisms of Wikileaks too and I pointed to WP:BLPPUBLIC for that. They said at the end of the back and forth that their problem was bloat - which I can sympathize with to some extent but this is not the way to deal with that. NadVolum (talk) 19:22, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

In response to Gooday, I was following the instructions on the talk page under "WARNING: ACTIVE ARBITRATION REMEDIES"

  • Violations of any of these restrictions should be reported immediately to the arbitration enforcement noticeboard.
  • Editors who are aware of discretionary sanctions in this topic area and who violate these restrictions may be sanctioned by any uninvolved administrator, even on a first offense.

So that's what I did. It isn't as if SPECIFICO hasn't removed new text and warned people against adding it again and often an RfC is needed to establsh consensus before it can be put in. I think I'd prefer it left the way it was before and any discussion be about removing the long standing text instead. NadVolum (talk) 19:22, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

In reponse to Mr Ernie. It sounds a bit in what you say like I was involved in that previous discussion. I wasn't and didn't even know abot that. I looked up SPECIFICO's log when raising this and I didn't see anything about it. NadVolum (talk) 19:36, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

In response to Guerillero, I'm sorry I don't understand what you are asking for. Discretionary sanctions as talked about at the top of this page sounds fine to me or is there a list of possible sanctions I should try to choose from thanks? NadVolum (talk) 20:07, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much Jéské Couriano. Yes that sounds right, I see that WP:ARBAPDS was linked to in that text on the article talk page. NadVolum (talk) 20:43, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

In response to SPECIFICO I guess people can check most of it themselves but about the BLP violation I changed a sentence which had just been inserted saying "WikiLeaks asked Trump Jr. to share a claim by Assange that Hillary Clinton had wanted to attack him with drones." Assange did not claim that bit of conspiracy theory. The source cited this other conspiracy site that I did not recognize as such. This had nothing to do with anything else. And yes I did come here straight. SPECIFICO does not edit in a collegiate manner. they are very non-neutral on the topic [46], and slags off editors that don't agree and engages in canvassing [47]. Worse than that I think they are a clear case of following WP:DE like a rulebook. fFr instance one of those things they complained above about me going to ANI was them not bothering to give a decent reply about what BLP problem they were supposed to be fixing with their edits[48]. And they couldn't be bothered to find a source and said the actions of a grand jury are SKYBLUE in another.[49] NadVolum (talk) 01:07, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Statement by Jéské Couriano

Based on the linked DS alert and the talk page notice referred to, I have to assume this is being filed under AP2 as the case and the post-1992 American politics DS regime as the remedy. @NadVolum:, when you file a request here, you are obligated to link the case and specify the remedy you're filing under. (For bans under DS, link to the DS authorisation and the ban notice/thread.) —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 20:16, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Statement by Firefangledfeathers

I encourage SPECIFICO to admit, as quickly as possible, that their understanding of the CR restriction was incorrect. I hope to see NadVolum commit to politely bringing up possible 1RR or CR violations at the offending user's talk page before bringing the issue to the next step of conduct dispute resolution. It would help if we discussed formalizing the CR restriction and including a link to the explanatory essay WP:Consensus required in any talk page banners or edit notices, as the text commonly used (and used at Talk:Julian Assange) is not explicit about how removal is handled. Assuming SPECIFICO and NadVolum can both own up to handling this imperfectly, I ask that admins refrain from sanctions in this matter and nudge us all to move on. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:52, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

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Result concerning SPECIFICO

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  • @NadVolum: please specify the remedy to be enforced or I will close this thread --Guerillero Parlez Moi 19:44, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
  • SPECIFICO definitely reverted out of process, the question is whether there is a BLP issue at hand (or other exemption), which I don't see at first glance. He needs to come here and explain. Dennis Brown - 21:44, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
SPECIFICO, I appreciate the detailed reply, and I note the frustration and sincerity, but as I noted, the revert really was out of process, a technical violation by virtue of the number of reverts. Again, a BLP exemption didn't seem obvious for that exact revert, and you didn't seem to claim or explain it if you thought it was. As for reverting back simply because you felt that was the prior consensus, that gets muddy for admin, who would have to dig into determining and sometimes guessing consensus. This is why we have bright line rules against multiple reverts. I get your frustration, I do, but I need to focus on this event, not just the past. Was there a specific reason you had to revert instead of going to the talk page? Dennis Brown - 00:45, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
[50] Major edit to consensus/stable version. [51] revert of that edit. [52] You reinstating that edit after it had already been reverted. Is there a BLP issue specifically with the content of that edit? Can you point me to a specific discussion and consensus that the removal of material was necessary? I'm not trying to oversimplify it, but yes, on the surface, it appears you were out of process. Keeping it short, can you show the discussion/consensus or BLP issue? Dennis Brown - 01:17, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
Put another way, material was removed, then that removal was challenged as inclusion was considered consensus. The only way your additional revert would be considered kosher is if you can show a prior discussion establishing consensus to remove it, per WP:Consensus required, an essay, but it sums it up. Without that consensus (or other exemption), then yes, your edit is a problem. That's how CR works, to preserve the status quo unless a new consensus is demonstrated. Deleting material isn't given special privilege over adding it, unless 3RRNO exemptions apply. Dennis Brown - 01:27, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Kendall Clarks

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Supreme Deliciousness (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 06:23, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
User against whom enforcement is requested
Kendall Clarks (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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500/30 Rule
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Users that edit Arab-Israeli content must have 500 edits, this user does not, in the following diffs he is editing A-I content:

[53] 6 August
[54] 15 July
[55] 15 July
[56] 15 July
[57] 15 July
[58] 15 July
[59] 15 July
[60] 14 July
[61] 29 June
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Was told at his talkpage by two separate users that he is not allowed to edit A-I content:[62] yet he has now continued to do so after previously violating the 500/30 rule and also violated the 1rr and 3rr in July.

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